Howard Roark refuses a major contract when he most needs it, arguing that his action was “the most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do.” Why does he call this action selfish?
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The reason why Roark classifies his action at the bank as being selfish was because he refused a very lucrative commission that would have put an end to his financial woes if he only compromised on his modernistic ideals. He refused this commission on the basis that if he accepted, his integrity would be non existent. He would have viewed himself as being a sell out if he accepted the terms the building was to be built on. In refusing, he thought of himself and his belief system first instead of the money, arguing that this action was the most selfish thing anyone has ever done while in actuality it was the most honorable action one could have taken. Placing ideals and principles before material objects such as money makes Roark not a selfish man but a man with integrity and honor who is willing to sacrifice almost anything to preserve his ideals and morals. In fact, he criticizes Peter Keating on not knowing what he believes in as Roark does. Roark finds it agonizing that Keating doesn't know what he wants and Roark drives this point home when he asks Keating "Don't you know what you want? How can you stand it, not to know?" (33).Based on this quote, Roark believes that Keating is a man with no moral standards who would do anything to impress his fellow men.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark calls this a selfish act because he chose his morals and ideas over his future; along with the future of others. It has been explained numerous times throughout the book that Roark builds with his own reason...not the reason and thoughts of someone else. He builds what he sees to be acceptable; he takes not one bit of advise from anyone. When Roark is making a deal with Keating, Roarks says, "That's the sort of thing I want you to understand. To sell your soul is the easiest thing in the world. That's what everybody does every hour of his life. If I asked you to keep your soul - would you understand why that is much harder?" (603). In that quote, the soul can be a symbol to display agreeing to anything. Roark does not agree to build on other people's terms. He builds on his own. This commission came at the ideal time for Roark. He had not been building for a few years at this point and he was behind on his rent. He had nothing left but his pride. This project could have helped save his future, providing he agreed to the terms. But as we all know, he chose his modernistic ways over his future.
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ReplyDeleteHoward Roark calls refusing the Weidler commission a selfish act because he's refusing to uses his talents to help the company, which in itself is selfish. He also is speaking of his soul being selfish against his livelihood. "I want you. We want your building." says Weidler. (197)He knows he could make a building people would love that had his design with a classic facade but he can't bring himself to, which serves nobody but his own pride. This decision is invertly selfish as well, because Roark really needs the commission to keep up funds. "You need this! I know how badly you need this!" says Weidler. This shows that Roark lives only to serve his own soul, not to survive himself or to serve other people. Roark knows his whole way and life and mindset are selfish. He will sacrifice nothing for what he thinks is right in the world of architecture. He is the last person to be hypocritical, even if doing so would benefit people So yes, refusing the commission is selfish, but the question is, is that okay as long as he stuck to his beliefs? Maybe that's the whole point of the novel.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark calls this selfish because taking that commission meant giving up everything he believed in. His ideals would no longer be his. Taking this commission just to keep his buisiness alive would be selfish also, and Roark doesn't want to lose anything that he believes could make him lose sight of himself and what he and Henry Cameron both agreed on. On page 196, Wiedler says "Don't you know how big a commision this is? You're a young man, you won't get another chance like this!" And after Weidler says this, Roark gathers his drawings and walks out. Refusing the commission was not selfish because it meant losing everything he had worked for.
ReplyDeleteWhen Howard Roark denies this exclusive commission, he states that it was "the most selfish thing you've ever seen a man do." The commission he rejected when he most needed it was to design a huge bank that would be in the center of Manhattan. Roark barely won the commission over serious debates over its modern appearance. To satisfy the board of directors who were making the decision of whether or not to commission Roark's building, a compromise was reached regarding the final design. A minor change would be made to his building- they would add a "simplified Doric portico in front, a cornice on top, and his (Roark's) ornament would be replaced by a stylized Greek ornament." (195) Roark is seemingly outraged when the chairman tells him this, especially when he says that "it is an unwritten law that a bank must have a Classic portico." (196) When the chairman then precedes to ask him whether or not he will accept the commission, Roark says he wont, and the chairman is amazed, and asks if he realizes what he's doing. Roark replies, saying "Quite." He probably denied the commission because of the changes that were made to his building. Making changes, especially ones that had classical influence to them, would go against his philosophy and everything he works for when it comes to architecture. Roark explains this to the chairman by saying that "an honest building, like an honest man, had to be of one piece and one faith." (196) By adding other "pieces and faiths" and ideas that had classical influence, (a style which he refuses to follow) the building would no longer become honest to his style and technique. So by rejecting the commission, it became a selfish act because he rejected it for his sake and his own moral standards: he builds for himself and himself only, not for other people and their expectations and ideas.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark refers to his act as selfish because although he was in desperate need of the commission, he would not help the bank design a new building unless they were willing to do it his way. When stated like that, the act looks extremely selfish, especially if one takes into consideration all the people who fought tooth and nail for Roark to receive this job (Pg. 224“ ‘I must tell you,’ the chairman was saying, ‘that we’ve had a hell of a fight over that building of yours.’ ”). However one must also think about the fact that in refusing the commission, Roark was making an example of himself, showing that even in times of desperation he was going to stand up for what he believed in. (Pg. 225 “He spoke for a long time. He explained why this structure could not have a Classic motive on its façade. He explained why an honest building, like an honest man had to be of one piece and one faith;”) Howard Roark said he was acting selfishly by refusing the commission, but that is left open to speculation when one realizes he is acting selfishly to save his morals. -Mary Lee Sperl
ReplyDeleteLiving in one of the most desperate times of his life, Howard Roark declines an important contract declaring it was, “the most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do” (198). The committee deliberates over Roark’s proposed sketches for a while, before finally composing a compromise. The Manhattan Bank Company decides that Roark would design their building if he agreed to a few changes in the façade. After listening to Weidler describe the necessary changes to his design, Roark explains why this building cannot have a Classical motive in the façade. He explains to Weidler, “an honest building, like an honest man, had to be one of piece and faith” (197). Roark may have been discussing the building, but Roark also applies those statements to his own life. Roark has identified his beliefs and willingly stands by them . Howard declined this commission completely understanding the opportunities it would give him, but as Roark stated earlier if one part turns against itself, the whole idea is dead. Therefore, Roark must decline this commission if he wishes to keep his integrity intact. This is a selfish act Roark commits because he refuses solely for his own purposes. Roark, unwilling to compromise, does not concern himself with the interests of others. An act that may have seemed selfless to Weidler is completely selfish in the eyes of Roark.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark declines a contract that would give him everything he needed and more in his time of desperate need. The reason he says that this action was "the most selfish thing you've ever seen a man do," is because he stubbornly refused to let any changes on his original architectural plans for the building go through, no matter how small these changes appeared to be. Roark is furious when the chairman shows Roark that there would be "a simplified Doric portico in front, a cornice on top, and his ornament was replaced by a stylized Greek ornament." Roark is selfish hen he says no to these minor changes and stubbornly sticks to his principle that the building must be built exactly the way he designed it or not at all. He doesn't care what the public thinks of his building. Weidler says "Our conservatives simply refused to accept a queer stark building like yours. And they claim the public won't accept it either."(195-196) Roark clearly is aware of this fact but he doesn't care. All he cares about is his integrity which he knows he can't keep if he accepts these changes to his unique design.
ReplyDeleteEgotistical Howard Roark, down on his luck and unable to afford even a watch, is going through financial difficulties, and desperately needs a commission in order to remain an architect. Thankfully, Mr. Weidler calls about the Manhattan Bank, so Roark rushes over to speak with the board. Thrilled for being told he had gotten the commission, Roark suddenly realizes that they do not want his original building erected; they want to make alterations, a compromise. “But it gives you our general idea and you’ll work it out yourself, make your own adaptation of the Classic motive to the façade.” (196). Classicism is what the board wanted in Roark’s building. It is a complete insult to him. He tries to calmly explain why his original building is better than the one the board is pushing. “He explained why this structure could not have a Classic motive in its façade. He explained why an honest building, like an honest man, had to be of one piece and one faith” (196). After the board heard his reasons and would not agree to build the original building, Roark refused to build the Manhattan Bank. Why? Roark refused to compromise his ideals, and bull-headed as he is, declines the opportunity to create a building that he designed given unnecessary changes. Wiedler asks why Roark has to be so fanatical and selfless about it. “Roark smiled” (197), and replies “That was the most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do” (197). The reason refusing the offer to build the Manhattan Bank was selfish is simple. Roark is very conceited, and when he denied to build the bank he wasn’t thinking of the board nor the public, but himself. He refuses to destroy himself for this building. Roark could not sell his soul just for this building. It was an entirely self-centered decision in not building the bank. Selfishly, Roark refuses to compromise his beliefs and therefore damns himself to working in the granite quarry, a much less painful job than the job of building that Manhattan Bank the way the board wanted it to be built.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark had refused the contract from Weidler in a very paradoxical fashion. Roark feels very strongly about his ideals about architecture and he will sacrifice anything for it, even his own welfare, which is the contrary for most people, because most people would take the check in exchange for their integrity. However, this does not make Roark a selfish man. A selfish worldly man would have sold his artistic soul to the highest bidder, and would have kept on doing so for the rest of his life. On the other side of the coin, Roark disregards his mortal welfare, and defends his integrity despite Weidler’s desperate pleas such as, “I want you. We want your building. You need the commission” (196). Weidler had spent the majority of their time allotted for closing the deal trying to convince Roark to take the commission and direct the building of the structure, which further displays Roark’s infallible integrity and selflessness.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ryan Chestnut’s idea as to how Howard was not selfish because of how he stuck to his artistic ideas and their integrity.
It has always been clear that Roark would rather take the path less traveled than follow in the footsteps of those preceding him. Money has never been the impetus for his creations; his buildings are born from pure inspiration, and each is like his child. He claims, “I love doing it. Every Building is like a person. Single and unrepeatable”(480). With every client that comes to Roark for a building, he judges whether he or she is “his kind of person”, or in other words someone who knows what he or she believes. When Mr. Weidler confesses to Roark that in order for him to get the Manhattan Bank Company commission he must add Greek ornamentation to its modernistic façade, Roark knows that he cannot provide a building for this man. Betraying a structure’s cohesive idea is the worst crime imaginable in his mind. I agree with Ryan Chestnut’s idea that Roark’s refusal is an honorable decision that was made selfishly to preserve his own integrity, and the building’s identity. Roark does not build for the benefit of the public; he builds to express man’s brilliance and mastery of the earth. At the time of Roark’s decline of the Bank commission he has no money left to run his office or to pay his bills. Most would cave to the demand of the majority and grovel in order to survive, but not Howard Roark; he will not submit. Ryan so astutely pointed out that Roark puts morals and ideals before money. Money is not Roark’s victory, his real victory is battling society’s attempt to mold and morph him. Roark’s state of being is summed up in this phrase, “A battle is never selfless” (388). He embodies the most selfish way to be but also the purest, because of his indifference to others wants or needs. He lives, breathes, builds, exists all for himself, he follows no one’s demands not even if it means his own demise.
ReplyDeleteRoark's refusal of the commission is, as he describes it, "the most selfish thing you've ever seen a man do," (197). This is so selfish because Roark decides to stick to his own principles instead of accepting the commission that he so desperately needs by adding "a simplified Doric portico in the front" (195). Mr Weidler explains that "in practical life, one can't always be so flawlessly consistent." (196) and urges Roark to accept the commission regardless of the minor change. Refusing to accept it is selfish because he ignores the needs of himself and others, and puts his own personal ideas in front.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Colin Riley about that all Roark cares about is his integrity, and by compromising he loses it.
Howard Roark stubbornly declines the Weidler commission. Mr. Weidler was excited to use Roark’s sketches in the construction of the Manhattan Bank Company Building. It was a huge project and Roark would make a large income, however Roark became very hesitant when the chairman said, “it’s yours, on one minor condition” on page 195. Roark is very strong in his modernistic beliefs about architecture, so when he was asked to change a part of his plan to please others, it changed his mind about wanting to design the building. On page 195, the chairman also said, “Our conservatives simply refused to accept a queer stark building like yours…” This comment, I think, somewhat offended Howard because they wanted to add in Classical motives into the façade of his building. This was not acceptable to Roark, so he declined the commission. The chairmen thought Roark was being selfless by giving the commission to others, however Roark made the point of saying that he meant it in the most selfish way, because under no circumstances, was he willing to change his architectural style to please others. He meant to decline the commission to make a point that he didn’t care about the money, he only wanted to do what he wanted and how he wanted.
ReplyDeleteI think that Emily Ocwieja said it really well. Her comment about Roark chosing his morals and ideas over his future really made sense to me. I can see how that is selfish and why he would say that. Roark could have started off his small business by making a fair income off of the commission, but instead he chose to stick to his style, and blow off the chairmen.
Howard Roark calls this act selfish for two reasons. One, Roark is selfish by not taking the commission that included a large amount of money. He is not willing to compromise his ideals of modernism to change a small part of the building to give it a classical feel. He is selfish here by not just changing a small thing to receive a large sum of money to keep his own business afloat. Weilder even knows this when he says, "You need this! I know how badly you need this!” (197) Two, he is selfish by not putting the building forward and out into the world. Roark wants to share his buildings with the world to improve architecture. By holding this back he is being selfish.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Grace Parker’s comment of Roark only living to serve his soul, not anyone else.
I believe that Roark called his decision to turn down the commission for the Manhattan Bank Company "the most selfish things you've ever seen a man do” because he acted upon his own needs. In this section of the book it seemed as though Roark were two opposite people: one being the starving architect who needs a commission in order to be financially stable and the other being the seemingly arrogant architect who refuses to build any way that differs from his own. When he calls himself selfish he is calling the arrogant side of him selfish towards the starving, broke side of him. Not only did this side need the commission ("His rent on the office was long overdue" [188]), but also he desired it more than anything. His life revolves around the phone while he is waiting to hear back from Mr. Weidler. At one point, "He had become dependent on that telephone in the past few weeks" (188). Denying himself this huge opportunity that was all he had been thinking about appears to be selfless from this point of view. However, if looked at from the other side it is clear that this is a selfish act because Roark shows that he would rather be a starving architect than go against his principles. It is clear that he is placing his own beliefs and practices before anything else. Also this decision is selfish towards the public. This is because at this moment, Roark does not care what the public wants or what they are used to. At one point, Keating explains, "There are only two ways. You can join them or you can fight them." (190) Roark obviously chooses to fight them, which shows what he claims to be selfishness. He chooses to work for what he wants and believes rather than for what the people want.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Olivia Gatti because the only reason Roark denied the commission that could have completely altered his current lifestyle was because of his own morals and principles. He was too headstrong to even accept the company's generous compromise. This unwillingness to change his original building whatsoever shows his act of selfishness.
Howard Roark absolutely cannot do something he doesn't believe in. Accepting and executing the Manhattan Bank Company commission would destroy him in that he would be following a style he did not have a passion for. Extra ornaments and embellishments were impractical and in his opinion that's what a lot of Greek architecture was all about. He could have set his personal preferences aside and made some good money. Also Mr. Weidler says, "You need this! I know how badly you need this (196)!" Roark is running out of money fast, and still cannot bring himself to accept the commission. He does "the most selfish thing you've ever seen a man do" and protects his and the building's integrity (Ryan Chesnut). This action of preserving his honor is what he calls selfish.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark calls turning down the commission for the Manhattan Bank "the most selfish thing a man can do" because he needed the commission very much, but accepting it meant going against his modern ideals. He was not willing to add a slight classical touch to the building, even though he needed the money that the job would give him "I want you. We want your building. You need the commission." (196) Roark, unlike his friend Keating, has had architectural ideals and refuses commission unless they are to be the way he drew them. Roark has standards, and the standards are placed before everything else, even money. Keating doesn't have standards like Roark, and he will do anything for a commission or fame. I agree with Ryan Chestnut, that by placing his morals, and principles in front of material things Roark is not being selfish
ReplyDeleteWhen Howard Roark turned down the commission for the Manhattan Bank, he disagrees with Weidler in saying "That was the most selfish thing you've ever seen a man do." Roark hadn't worked for a year and needed this commission to survive as an architect. The Bank had voted on a more classical designed by Mr Parker's son which included a "simplified Doric portico in front, a cornice on top, and his ornament was replaced by a stylized Greek ornament." Roark was not willing to change anything about his original building and that resulted in turning down the commission. Roark believes that this act is selfish because everything needs to be his way and not even a little replacement can be allowed. I agree with Ryan Chestnut in saying that is Roark not a selfish man but a man with integrity and honor who is willing to sacrifice almost anything to preserve his ideals and morals even if this means not having a job or income because Roark is quite the perfectionist and his morals are a priority over being famous or having money, like Keating.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark refuses the contract offered to him by Weidler, even though it means losing the business he worked so hard to open. Roark claims that it is “the most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do,” for the sole reason of changing the personality and character of the man that he believes that he is. It is beyond selfish to offer Roark a contract he absolutely needed but in a manner that changes his beliefs. Howard Roark and his personality change the people around him, whether it is Dominique, Cameron, or Mallory. They change their beliefs after meeting Howard. If Howard accepts the contract the character that has built him and others will now vanish just for some extra money. He rejected the idea of building a huge bank in the center of Manhattan. The board made a compromise to accept Roark’s commission. The major change was a “simplified Doric portico in front, a cornice on top, and his (Roark's) ornament would be replaced by a stylized Greek ornament" (195). Obviously, Roark becomes furious and storms out of the building. Roark is willing to sacrifice the money he needs in order to sustain the personality that has brought him to where he is today. I agree with Ryan Chestnut’s ideas because we both believe that Howard was not selfish in denying the contract because it goes against his beliefs.
ReplyDeleteThe reason for which Howard Roark calls his action selfish is because he only thought of himself when refusing the major contract. He refused the contract because it went against his artistic view and it stated that Greek columns were to be added to the structure. Even though the money that could have been received by Roark would have greatly helped him, he did not want to lose integrity. This decision made by him shows that Roark is a man of integrity and won't just do any project no matter how much money he is given. When refusing the contract Roark does not think about the commission he will receive, but the way he would have to change his original building. Roark doesn't worry about how much money he has or that he hasn't worked in over a year even when Keating tries to tell him on page 191,"You haven't worked for a year. And you won't. Who'll ever give you work?" With this is mind Roark still does not accept a contract that would get him through his tough times. I agree with Ryan Chestnut when he states that Roark is not a selfish man, but rather a man of honor and integrity which is shown by his decision.
ReplyDeleteFollowing Howard Roark’s meticulous designing and subsequent proposal of a skyscraper to be built prominently in the center of New York City, a rift divides the board members of the Manhattan Bank Company, pitting the innovative design of Roark against the conservative wishes of classical traditionalists who refuse to construct Roark’s “queer stark building” (195). When intense deliberation leads to a compromise in which the board passes Roark’s sketches under the condition that he adapt a Classic portico to “give the public the impression of what they’re accustomed to” (195), Roark shocks the board and the redesigned building’s main proponent, Mr. Weidler, by refusing the commission. “You need this!” the befuddled Weidler argues. “Do you have to be quite so fanatical and selfless about it?” (196). Though he comments not on his fanaticism, Roark, stating his action is “the most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do” (198), further confuses Weidler, who misinterprets Roark’s selfishness as a selfless sacrifice of the fame certain to accompany the commission and as an upholding of his uncompromising morals -- an act Weidler doubtless views as noble but masochistic. However, Roark does not make himself out to be a sacrificial lamb; rather, he believes himself a rank egotist. Quite plainly, Roark would cross himself, destroy his integrity, and epitomize the dreaded second-hander had he compromised. Sarah Young eloquently accentuates the relationship between Roark’s actions and his personal philosophy by stating a man, like a building, cannot hold his integrity if every part of him does not adhere to the same driving principle. For self-benefit, a selfish motive, Roark refuses to comply.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark calls refusing an important commission selfish because he was more conserved over preserving his own ideals over helping a company and ensuring that others have a future as well as his own. Roark is adamant that when he designs for a company they must use his design the way it is and not make any changes. He was upset because the board wanted the building to have both modern and classical parts. Roark is greatly upset by this because “an honest building, like an honest man, had to be of one piece and one faith” (196). He believes that it was selfish because he did not share his talent with the public.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Emily Ocweija that Roark does not agree to the commission because he views it as selling a part of himself.
Howard Roark doesn’t accept the Weidler commission and stated that refusing it is “the most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do.” (196). This decision is a selfish act because he’s denying them his excellent building design because they want to make one change that he doesn’t agree with. Roark views his design as the only way the building should be built and any changes by someone else would damage the building’s architectural integrity and that would go against his morals. Therefore, Roark refuses the commission to keep his moral standards in place, instead of sacrificing them to please others.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Haley Hartzel who states “Refusing to accept it is selfish because he ignores the needs of himself and others, and puts his own personal ideas in front.” By ignoring his needs and what others want to keep his architectural morals firm and his ideas clear of interference, he is selfishly denying the world great buildings. Gabrielle Timm
The underlying theme in this novel is objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand. At its core is the belief that selfishness is a virtue. Howard Roark, the objectivist, is Ayn Rand's depiction of the ideal man. He is selfish. And he knows it. Therefore, I disagree with Ryan Chestnut, Eliot Buscaglia, and everyone else who thinks that Roark is not selfish, that he is, in fact, noble, because he is not, in my opinion. He is an egoist, and the incident in which he declines a big commission when he needs it most is a perfect example. "'...and so it's yours, on one minor condition'" (195), says the chairman of the committee in charge of selecting an architect to design the Manhattan Bank Company Building. The condition? "'It's only a matter of a slight alteration in the façade'" (195). After a futile attempt to convince the committee to change its mind, Roark refuses to sign the contract. "'Do you have to be quite so fanatical and selfless about it?'" (397) Weidler moans. "'That was the most selfish thing you've ever seen a man do,'" (397) Roark replies, gathers his drawings, and walks out. All because he is simply incapable of compromising with others. Mr. Weidler interprets Mr. Roark's action as selfless because he is willing to stand up for what he believes in at the cost of a large sum of money he desperately needs. Mr. Roark is correct, however, in describing it as selfish, because he has his heart set on having it done his way. Always. Let me conclude by saying that I do not support Ayn Rand's philosophy of objectivism. Karina de Hueck.
ReplyDeleteThe reason that Roark rejected the commission for The Manhattan Bank Company is because he could never settle for anything less than perfect in his eyes. He could not see the board at the bank destroy his plans for the building. The only reason he could take the job would be if it was completely his own. The reason it was selfish was because he could've taken the job and produced the building the bank wanted, but since it was not all his, he would not allow it.I agree with Marta Considine when she said that Roark believed this was selfish because he needs everything to be his way when it comes to architecture. He needed it to be all his work, he would not compromise his own ideas. It is seen as selfish because he needed the money for his own self ("His rent on the office was long overdue" (188)). But he put his own self before the sake of his company and career, not taking the commission so he wouldn't sacrifice the building. This could be paralleled with the Enright house that Roark designed. Halfway through the building process, Roark realized it wasn't up to his specifications. After begging Roger Enright to let him alter the house, it was said that he used more than the amount he was paid from the commission to adjust the house. This displays Roark's eye for detail and his habit of a perfectionist. In addition, this adds to the underlying paradox in the book. Roark did not take commissions because he needed them, he took them because he wanted to. Whereas other architects in the story just build to produce money. Roark takes his architecture to a whole new level, falling in love and devoting himself to his building.
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Roark describes his action as being selfish because he is making his decision on the commission based solely on his own moral principles and opinions on architecture. Roark does not give an inch when it comes to changing his drawings even when making the changes would guarantee the commission for him, as described by Weidler, “I want you. We want your building. You need the commission.” (197) and thus, making money that would end his financial troubles. He puts his own morals and beliefs before money, which shows Roark has great integrity and pride for his work. If he agreed to make the changes, he would be selling out his own morals and beliefs and since Roark is a man of great pride, he does not take that action. Roark argues that his action was selfish, when it can actually be greatly respected because he is sticking to his guns and not giving in to the wants of others. Even if 9 out of 10 people in Roark’s financial situation would choose to give into the changes in the drawings, Roark can still be admired for his pride and dedication to his work. I agree with Mr. Ryan Chestnut when he labeled Roark as a man with integrity and honor, willing to sacrifice almost anything to preserve his ideals and morals. To Roark, his declining of the commission was a selfish action, but to anyone else who looks at Roark’s action, it was a respectable and honorable one. –Mark Bredemann
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark refuses the Manhattan Bank Company contract and refers to his act as selfish because he is doing it to preserve his personal integrity. At the trial of Cortlandt, Roark stated, “ ‘The creators were not selfless. It is the whole secret of their power--- that it was self-sufficient, self-motivated, self-generated’” (680). He explains to the judge that the work of a builder is to impose their talent on society without interruption. The ability to achieve a completed building comes from the creator’s determination to construct a project the way they have always envisioned it. Roark continues to state, “ ‘The creator lives for his work. He needs no other men. His primary goal is within himself’” (681). Clearly, every building, contract, and decision Roark makes is for his sole purpose. Thus, Roark’s choice to refuse Mr. Weidler’s offer over a single ornament is to uphold his personal integrity. Additionally, Roark follows in the footsteps of Henry Cameron modernizing architecture to show the beauty of a raw structure and the efficiency of simplicity. By refusing to give to others another building he is preventing the world from realizing the beauty of modernization and keeping his talents all to himself. Although, Roark’s refusal includes the dismissal of a large sum of money this is not the reason he considers himself selfish. I agree with Ryan Chestnut who stated Roark places his personal achievement over material values. Roark acts off instinct to fulfill his dreams, not fill his pockets.
ReplyDeleteWhen Howard Roark is at the absolute bottom with no money left to go on, he is offered a commission for the Manhattan Bank. This job could mean everything to Roark and his architectural firm since it is on the brink of collapse. Mr. Weidler calls him "fanatical and selfless"(197) and Roark smiles because he knew was acting the exact opposite of those at the moment. First of all, changing even small parts of the building's facade went against his integrity as an architect and of the building. Roark creates his buildings in the way they are meant to be: his original thought erected into one flowing creation that is not designed specifically for the happiness of the owners, but as the true nature of the building's purpose. Changing that goes against all of his beliefs and is a fake in his opinion. That is why Roark's conditions to work include the approval of his initial designs and then the freedom for him to build it as he wishes. Throughout the book Roark has failed to gain a commission from any group, board, or committee. The public sees it as his inability to compromise, stubborness, and anti-socialism and although those could be used to describe it, it really is his inability to answer to anyone when they want to change or control his work. He would compromise if he could but it is not changeable since it was created by the earth itself. He has a private, personal, and selfish motive-his work done his way. If it is not given to him he will not proceed. Roark knows that this is selfish since it is denying the city and architecture his work because of the impossibility of changing himself and his ego. He is the most egotistical person in the world but his way does not fit the textbook definition. He loves himself so much he will only let himself be his true nature and nothing else; something nobody can be or touch. He fails to measure himself in relation to anything. ,"I don't make comparisons. I never think of myself in any relation to anyone else. I just refuse to measure my self as part of anything. I am an utter egotist."(582 ) That, essentially, is the root of his selfishness. "And isn't that the root of every despicable action? Not selfishness, but precisely the lack of a self."(605) I disagree with Haley Hartzel and others that Roark thinks he is selfish for putting his personal ideas above all others. It is not about Roark as a person and his desire for his ideas to be forefront but it is greater than that; a knowledge that this building must be put up in the way he made it or else it is a lie and insult to the world and himself. That is very selfish.
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In the Fountainhead by Ayn Rand, Howard Roark has not had many commissions and is on the verge of being broke. When he is asked to submit a drawing for the building of the Manhattan Bank Company, Mr. Weidler, one of the board of directors, is ready to hire Roark. Not being able to reach a decision for weeks, though, the board finally calls Roark and tells him that the commission is his. Howard is ecstatic that he gets the commission because it is "his greatest building, fifty stories to rise in the center of Manhattan" (195). Shortly after Mr. Weidler says that they made a compromise in order to reach a decision. “It was his building, but it had a simplified Doric portico in front, a cornice on top, and his ornament was replaced by a stylized Greek ornament” (195). Howard does not like this and explains to the board for a very long time that his building cannot have a Classic motive on its façade. The chairman tells Roark that he either accepts the commission on their terms with the building and its Classic motives, or he can turn them down. Roark says no and replies, “That was the most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do” (197). Howard calls this action selfish because he does not want them to change his building, so he turns them down when Mr. Weidler says, “You need this! I know how badly you need this! I want you. We want your building. You need the commission” (197). Roark is thinking of himself and his moral views as an architect. He built his image, even though most people did not like it. He did not change his style for other buildings, so he was not going to change just because it was a huge commission when he most needed it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Emily Ocwieja when she says that Howard Roark is selfish because he wants to keep his moral views intact instead of having a bright future but giving up his moral views.
To say that Howard Roark is struggling financially is an understatement. Being unable to maintain a solid income he is desperate for money to survive in the demanding environment of New York City. Because of this, one would expect Roark to take any job offered to him to make a profit. However, when presented with the perfect job that would pay a staggering amount, he declines. In his mind, there is a huge flaw with this project. He would be unable to design the building how he feels it should be designed; he would have to follow the clients guidelines and to him that is impossible. Some may blame this on his egotistical personality, as Brian Musolf stated above, but I disagree. It is Roark’s decision to stay true to his ideas and values rather than design something he doesn’t like just to please someone else. This project is a symbol of society; it is trying to get him to conform to the norm. When Roark is explaining to Mike why he didn’t take the job he tells him, “It will have to be their way no matter where I go” (198). He means that he will be faced with this issue anywhere he goes so he might as well defend his design style now and refuse the job. That is why he considers refusing the job selfish. Since he denied the opportunity to build a beautiful building because he didn’t want to build to please other people he was being selfish.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark was extremely poor, and his financial future was in bad shape. Roark was offered the perfect job that paid enough to pay of all his bills and then some, which seemed like a miracle. But Roark refused to take it and he called this act selfish, but really it was the complete opposite. He said the act was selfish because he put his morals and ideals before his finances and future. But in reality, he did the most unselfish thing he could have done. He put his belief system before money. If he would have taken that job he would have abandon his beliefs for material objects, making him a sell-out. Roark preserved his morals instead of making money, which is the most honorable thing he could have done. Mr. Weidler even begged Roark to take the job, saying “I want you. We want your building. You need the commission” (196) but Roark still managed to stay strong and refused to cave on what he believed in.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ryan when he said how Roark was not being selfish but instead was being very noble and honorable. Roark actually made the right choice, and knows that what he believes in is more important than money.
When Roark says, “that this is the most selfish thing a man can do” when he refuses a major contract because he is refusing to use his talent and knows he needs this very badly for himself, but won’t allow himself to do it. His pride in his work is getting in the way when he really needs these funds to keep him afloat like Weidler says, “You need this! I know how badly you need this”. And Roark knows he won’t get another opportunity like this because of his strict guidelines and his “weird” buildings ‘"Don't you know how big a commission this is? You're a young man, you won't get another chance like this!’ says Wiedler” (196). But Roark will not be swayed he does not want his masterpiece to be changed and destroyed just to make a profit; it would go against everything he stands for and worked for. Even though other people might think of this as sticking up for your morals or standing true to your beliefs, but Roark thinks for not showing the world his talent is being very selfish. Even though he doesn’t care what people think of his buildings he feels bad for all the people who help get him this opportunity and by that he is also being selfish. Roark says, ”’… an honest building, like an honest man, had to be one of piece and faith’” (197). He means you can’t incorporate other styles in his building to have a good building it must have the same design and flow it must be whole or it will not be honest, so by them not letting him keep his original design he did the only thing he could think of deny the contract, be selfish.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Julia Hagen on everything and she picked a perfect quote from Roark he claims ”’I love doing it. Every building is like a person. Single and unrepeatable’” (480). So by changing hid building they are killing a person who is unique and has individuality which describes Roark’s buildings perfectly. The way she sums it all up in her conclusion is brilliant and I once again agree with.
-Timmy Reynolds
Howard Roark is desperately in need of this upcoming contract in order to help salvage his business. When he refuses the contract from the bank, Roark knows that he simply can not build a structure for a client that wants to change his original design. Roark believes wholeheartedly that “an honest building, like an honest man, had to be of one piece and one faith” (196). Roark would rather continue to struggle financially than compromise with a company about a design of his. Roark thinks that his actions are selfish because he truly wants the public to be able to experience and appreciate his designs. Roark wants to inspire people who see his buildings and by not building the structure he feels that he is not inspiring anyone to try new things and think outside of what is considered accepted in society. I agree with Gretchen in that Roark believed he was being selfish for not sharing his talents with the world.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark seems to have reached rock bottom as his career as an architect before he is granted the gift of the Manhattan Bank Commission. To anyone else, this commission would be a blessing, but to Roark, it is just a waste of his time. When he turns down the Manhattan Bank, Weidler says to him in disbelief ,“‘Do you have to be quite so fanatical and selfless about it?’” (197) To Roark, however, this is the “most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do.” He says this because he rejected the offer out of pride. The design of the Manhattan Bank would be everything against Roark’s views, which is why he cannot take it. If he gave in to the views of society, even once, it would ruin his image of himself. By following the rules of the rest of the world, for just one commission, he would be feel lowly as the men he looks down upon, men who scavenge for any offer they can get just to be more wealthy. He needed the money greatly, but the commission was against everything he stood for. I agree with Ryan Chestnut when he says that he was being noble and honorable, because although he was poor and his business was dying, he refused to let society step on his beliefs and make him conform.
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Howard Roark, an aspiring young architect, has received minimal commissions from the public, as the vast majority of society views his designs as corrupt and distasteful. As a result, Roark’s small firm has endured numerous financial setbacks. Fortunately, Roark is commissioned by Mr. Weidler for a major project. After Roark spends hours drafting his designs, he presents them to Weidler and his committee. A mutual decision allows Roark to proceed, but under certain circumstances, including tweaks to his original design. Roark immediately hates the typical changes to his modern designs, and after short consideration turns down the offer. Weidler reacts to Roark’s statement in a furious and confused manner as he exclaims, “Don’t you know how big a commission this is? You’re a young man, you won’t get another chance like this… You need this! I know how badly you need it!” (197). Roark simply smiles and replies without a tone of concern or regret in his voice, “That was the most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do” (197). Roark knew he needed the money to stay in business. He was aware that he was on the brink of closing his office. Most people in this situation would be so desperate that they would accept the commission under any conditions. I agree with Gretchen when she states that Roark however saw himself as selfish, as he would rather keep his own architectural values than submit to the vast majority of others, even in such a dire situation. Yet again, Roark felt so attached to his own unfamiliar methods of design that he would not surrender to classic architecture, even if offered money he was in need of.
ReplyDeleteAfter applying for a huge bank commission in New York, Howard Roark finds himself in a bit of a pickle. The long wait that the board of directors imposed on Roark made him not only need the commission but also want it more. The commission was long discussed because of the modernistic sense of appearance in the center of Manhattan. When brought in to the board, Howard was told he had gotten the commission but shortly after he knew it wasn’t right. The board liked Roark’s work but wanted him to, “…make your own adaptation of the Classic motive to the façade.” (196) They surely believed that Roark would jump at this offer but they didn’t realize his morals. The chairman even said, “ I told the board that I felt certain you would accept it.” (197) and was astonished when Roark replied, “ No.” Roark doesn’t agree with the classical method and knew his answer immediately. He tried explaining, “ This was an honest building, like an honest man, had to be in one piece.” (196) meaning that it couldn’t have some classical features and some modernistic. He was being selfish because he knew this reformation of his building didn’t fit with his ideas. I agree with Olivia Gatti when she said that he turned it down for himself and himself only. Therefore, even though Roark needed this commission, he turned it down because of his own beliefs about architecture.
ReplyDeleteDespite the fact that Howard Roark’s financial situation and living and working conditions were plummeting, he still refused the major contract because he said it was “the most selfish thing you’ve ever see a man do” (197). When Roark does this, he is letting his pride get the best of him. Roark does not decide to use his talents and make a hefty sum of money, but instead stands up for what he believes in and makes life a whole lot more challenging for himself. Roark says that what he did was “selfish”, because to people like Weidler and the board, it may appear selfish that Roark is unwilling to comply with the simple request that he adapt a Classic portico to appeal to the general public. I agree with Mark Bredemann when he said that Howard Roark offers no room for negotiation when it comes to his architectural style and his way of doing things. Mark describes it as, “Roark does not give an inch when it comes to changing his drawings...” Even though Howard Roark may appear that he is being selfish, one must take into account that he refuses to do it on account of what he stands for; and many other people would have sold out for the commission.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark turned down the major commission for himself and himself, only. He knew his financial situation was grim, and yet turned down the bank's commission due to his deep belief in modern architecture. Anyone else would look at the situation and call Roark "fanatical and selfless" (197), but Roark knows that what he did was actually "the most selfish thing you've ever seen a man do" (197). This action was selfish because Roark refused the commission for himself and his beliefs. He knew he needed the money and the bank loved his "altered" design, but withdrawed because he simply wouldn't have that building built under his name. He knew other people would love it and it would give him good business, but the building wouldn't be erected unless he loved it. Although it was selfish, he stayed strong to his unique style and never gave it up. I agree with Katie Boesen when she said that Roark knew the reformation of his building didn't fit with his ideas. That is why he refused the commission, his beliefs were just too strong.
ReplyDeleteThe Manhattan Bank commission is easily the perfect opportunity for Howard Roark to make a ‘comeback’ in the architectural world. Just before this point in the story, Roark told Peter Keating that he had exactly “fourteen dollars left, and fifty-seven cents”(190). Agreeing to the commission for the bank would not only help him stay away from going broke, but would also bring him more commissions. Once Roark arrives at the bank after Mr.Weilder calls him, Weilder says that Roark’s design has received approval from the committee - on the single condition that the facade of the building needs to have a more classical approach. When asked if he will accept the commission, Roark simply says “No”. Weilder is so confused by his response, because he, as well as many other people, realize how important this commission is for Roark. That is why Roark tells Weilder that his action was “the most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do.” I agree with Emily Ocwieja when she says that Roark chose his modernistic ways over his future. Roark would rather see his vision of a building come to life, than accept any changes or different ideas to the project. In brief, there is only one way for Roark, his way.
ReplyDeleteAlthough Howard Roark’s future financially had the opportunity to take a sharp turn for the better, he refused the contract that Weidler offered him because it went against his most valued ideals and principles. He calls this act selfish because he stubbornly put his own personal beliefs before finance and risked the high chance of him becoming completely broke. He also viewed this as selfish because he was building for himself and not for others. Although he might view his decision as selfish, I believe that it was very honest of him to not accept the commission. This is so because if he had taken the commission, he would have abandoned everything that he valued in the world of architecture and he would have also conformed to many of the things he loathed throughout his career as a innovative architect. Instead of making money, he sticks with his beliefs and refuses the project opportunity.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ryan Chestnut when he says what Roark did was one of the most honorable actions one could have taken because he took ideals and principles before items such as money.
-George Finn
Howard Roark is in a financial dilemma because he has not received many commissions and he is starting to run out of money. His rents on his apartment and on his office are both overdue and his phone bill also needs to get paid. Weilder comes to him with a commission and Roark eagerly accepts. Roark is very excited to do this job, but when he comes before the board that has to approve of the sketches a slight problem emerges. The board had made some slight variations on Roark’s sketch. Roark was very upset with these alterations and tried to explain to the board that these alterations did not make sense. “He explained why an honest building, like an honest man, had to be of one piece and one faith; what constituted the life source, the idea of any existing thing or creature, and why- if one smallest part committed treason to that idea-the thing of the creature was dead; and why the good, the high and the noble on earth was only that which kept its integrity” (196). The board does not listen to him and Roark is forced to decline this commission. Weilder even says, “Don’t you know how big a commission this is? You’re a young man; you wont get another chance like this. And… all right, Ill say it! You need this! I know how badly you need it!” (197) Roark says that declining this offer is “the most selfish thing you’ve ever seen a man do” because he does not want to make even minor modifications to his building and he will not even compromise with the board. He is also not helping the company build this building because he only likes his building built in a certain way and will not accept any other ideas. I agree with what Katie said because Roark did not build the building because it did not fit in with his ideas.
ReplyDeleteRoark had the chance to a successful major player in the architecture world, but he chose his beliefs over conformity and success. Being a static character, Howard never changes his beliefs even with the peer pressure of the successful bigwigs. Roark says to Keating: “Never ask people. Not about your work” (33). This means that you should stick to your principles, even with the temptations of fortune and fame. Howard thinks its selfish refusing to accept the commission because he did it for himself, unable to accept the wanted classical architecture.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ryan Chestnut that Roark is actually a very selfless man because he placed his ideals and morals before material objects, such as Keating.
When Weilder offered Roark an opportunity to gain money off of his original design with a slight alteration in the facade, he refused the offer, calling it “the most selfish thing a man can do.” (p. 197) He was facing a dilemma; accept their offer, take the much needed commission, but stray from his modern principles, or reject the offer, lose his opportunity to make any money, but maintain passion for modern designs. Roark rejects the offer, explaining why “an honest building, like an honest man, had to be one piece and one faith.” (p. 196) He denied his best shot of becoming known to the public and receiving a large sum of money. This was a complex decision that would probably hurt his financial situation in the long run. However, he didn’t let his determination of modernizing architecture slip away. He stayed true to his style. Roark called his action selfish because he was unable to respect the straightforward offer that a few changes could be made. Weilder had stated that “unfortunately, in practical life, one can’t always be so flawlessly consistent.” (p. 196) I agree with Ryan Chestunt’s comment, stating that even though it appears his actions appear selfish, he performed an honorable action by placing his ideals and principles before material objects like money.
ReplyDeleteWhen Howard Roark refuses the contract, he is being selfish in a different way most of us would think it to be. To be selfish is to do everything directed towards benefitting ones self. Instinctively readers would assume Peter Keating as the selfish character, but in reality, he is what Roark calls, a "second-hander." a second-handed is someone who actually "needs others [approval]. Others become his prime motive." (page 712) The readers now come to the realization that Peter Keating has never been selfish at all. Not once in his life fore, whenever he designed a building, it was not to selfishly please him, he only wanted the approval of others. Unfortunately he himself does not figure that out until the very end and when he does do something for himself for once (which is painting), Roark looks at him sadly and says, "It's too late, Peter" (page 609). Now the new question for readers is who are the selfish people in the world? Howard explains that "the creator" is the selfish one. This argument is used in his trial, for instance, the man who discovered fire did not do it to please his friends, he did it only help himself to warmth and light. Roark argues that the creator "lives for his work. He needs no other man. His primary goal is within himself." (page 712) When Howard Roark declined that contract, it was against his primary goal to be a new face in architecture, the face of modernism. This was not easy for him to decline because the contract offered a lot of money that Roark would have loved to have. It also would have gotten him some much needed praise from the press, but Roark didn't live to please others, only himself. In knowing this, Roark had to give up the greatest contract he has ever received to stick true to himself. That truly is the most selfish thing he has ever done.
ReplyDeleteWhen Roark was offered the new architecture job, it seemed like the perfect opportunity. He couldn't pay for his bills and he was in desperate need of money. He was faced with a tough personal dilemma as he could chose to accept the offer and quench his financial need, even though that meant he would have to abandon everything that he's ever believed in, or he could reject the offer, receive no money but continue to follow his main principles. Even though Roark knew his decision was "the most selfish thing you've ever seen a man do," (p. 197) he firmly believed in his choice. Roark expressed his individuality and strength as he thought it was more important to defend the integrity of his work, than to chose financial success. I agree with Sean Festle's statement saying that he didn't let his determination of modernizing architecture slip away, and he remained true to his style. Thought Roark's decision seems selfish its really the exact opposite as he chose to stay true to his designs and principles.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark makes a risky decision by refusing a major contract when he most needs it.The new job seemed like the perfect thing to happen for Roark. This action is referred to as selfish because Roark is refusing the contract for himself and does not care of how it may affect others. Roark states that “ ‘The creator lives for his work. He needs no other men. His primary goal is within himself’” (681). This shows that all the decisions made by Roark are benefitting only himself. I agree with Maggie Nick when she states that Roark thought it was more important to defend the integrity of his work. Although being selfish, Roark should great judgement by defending himself and what he believed in.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ryan Chestnut when he says that Roark finds it agonizing that Keating doesn't know what he want. It proves that Keating never thought about what he wanted and only what others wanted. It proves Roark's theory that Keating is a second-hander.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark argued that refusing the commission was the most selfish thing he could do because for him, it was. He was so obsessed with his modernistic style, he absolutely refused to show anything else in his work. He was so stubborn about it that he wouldn't help himself by allowing some classicism into his design so it would be accepted and get him the commission. He needed the money, and Wielder himself said "Don't you know how big a commission this is? You're a young man, you won't get another chance like this!" (196.) Instead, he gave it up for his own obsession, selfishly putting his wants ahead of his needs.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ryan Chestnut when he said that Roark made an honorable decision by choosing his ideals over materialistic things such as money. It was a tough decision, but I believe that Roark made the right one in the end.
Howard Roark says that his actions are selfish because he is sabotaging himself by being so proud. If he would have made the building as it was sketched with the compromise, he wouldn't have had to get a workmens' job. Weidler is absolutely right when he says,"You need the commission." Roark is on the verge of bankruptcy when he turns down the building. This is a selfish act because instead of being able to keep his firm, he chooses to stick to his morals knowing full well how much that will cost him. Mike says,"You can get a decent job in an architect's office. You know you can," but Roark refuses to listen to him. He is so self righteous that he would rather close down his office and get a job as a construction worker than compromise his morals even the tiniest bit. I admire Howard for what he did because it takes a strong man to be able to be their own person and not conform to society. Although he calls himself selfish, I believe he is a great example of what we all should try to do. I agree with Annie Lyons when she says that if he gave in to society even once, it would completely ruin how he saw himself. He holds himself up to a higher standard, and making that building would ruin that.
ReplyDeleteHoward Roark has never been interested in money or fame. He only cares about personal pride and the appearance of buildings. This style of thinking forces him to refuse the Manhattan Bank Company building. This project came at an extreme time of need because he was very low on money, the telephone bill was two months behind, and the rent on his office was long overdue. Wielder knew this and was astonished when Roark turned down the project because of a few small changes to the drawing. Wielder even said, “Don’t you know how big a commission this is?” and “You need this! I know how badly you need this!” When Roark said to Wielder “That was the most selfish thing you have seen a man do,” he meant that he was being selfish because he wouldn’t let his ideals be set aside. He wouldn’t let one single change be made on his project. This is putting pride above money. I agree with Colin Riley when he says “All he (Roark) cares about is his integrity which he knows he can't keep if he accepts these changes to his unique design.” This truly sums up Howard Roark’s character.
ReplyDelete"Don't you know what you want? How can you stand it, not to know?" (33). Howard Roark posed this question to his colleague Peter Keating asked him about his work. Roark does not understand how a man can walk around in life not knowing what he wants and therefore not being able to pursue that dream. Roark is the opposite of Keating in that he knows exactly what he wants and would never do anything but that. That is why he calls turning down the commission a selfish act. It is in a time where he greatly needs the money to keep his office open but the only way the the bank will grant him the commission is if he lets them put some small old-fashioned twists into his modern building. Roark feels that doing so would deplete his own principles. He selfishly declines what he needs most in dire time because he wants to do what he likes and believes in.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with Will Lederer when he states that, "(Roark) only cares about personal pride and the appearance of buildings." Roark could care less what the world thinks about him or his buildings. He only cares what he thinks about his buildings and that they are build they way he designed them. This is the thinking behind Roark's selfish act of turning down the commission and the money and depriving himself of what he needs most.